Sunday, July 30, 2006

مسألة وقت




كونداليزا رايس


لم يحن وقت وقف اطلاق النار
لم يحن وقت وقف اطلاق النار
لم يحن وقت وقف اطلاق النار


حان وقت وقف اطلاق النار

ياحليلها ذكرتني بجاسم الخرافي

لم يحن وقت اعطاء المرأة الحقوق السياسية

الوقت غير مناسب

الوقت غير مناسب

الوقت غير مناسب

المرأة أخذت حقوقها في الوقت المناسب

(مع الفارق بين الاثنين، واحد كلامه السياسي كوميدي والأخرى كلامها السياسي فتاك)

متى الوقت المناسب لبعض السلام

للحياة

لأطفال في البيوت وليس تحتها

لنساء مزغردات وليس مولولات

لرجال يحملون فؤوس الحرث وليس سيوف الحرب

متى؟

رايس تقول، الوقت غير مناسب بعد

اوكي سيدتي، الأطفال في قبورها تنتظر

أعتذر عن الصور، الموقف لا يحتمل أي "تمدن" في الاختيار

اعذروني

36 comments:

Hanan said...

Rice is an ass, pardon my french. I really had hopes initially from a black candidate. I mean one who has a history of oppression shouldn't endorce oppression. But I guess as we're come to learn lately, power is blinding.

God have mercy on Lebanon and those inoocent kids.

Papillona ® said...
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Papillona ® said...

I laughed when you mentioned al Khrafi and I scroll down then bam! I see the last picture
Thank you WW
That was like a slap on the face

عندي تساؤل بس عن بنت العيش
(Rice)
منو مصفف الشعر إللّي تتعامل معاه؟

Pepsi-guy said...

كونداليسا رايس... قصدك كونداليسا تـبـن

What can I say.... women :p

tweety said...

عورتي قلوبنا على هالصورة

White Wings said...

Hanan
yes being a woman, and more pressing, a black woman raised our expectations as to her political performance, but I was just informed by some poeple who know somethings about her career that this is the woman she has always been...strange we never got that image of hers

papi
ما تيوزين؟ :)
يمكن باروكة

بيبسي
you are a feminist and you can never change this about yourself!!
So, tease all you want, I am on to you :)

tweety
هذه أحد اللقطات التي شاهدتها اليوم على الأخبار عشرات المرات، هذه أخف الصور التي تم عرضها، أعتقد أن هذه الصور ستحفر في عقلي وقلبي للأبد لتذكرني دائماً بالوحشية الآدمية، حب السلطة وقذارة السياسة

Soud said...

مجازر فظيعة الله ياخذ اليهود



هل تعملها اسرائيل ؟


حاولت اسرائيل خلال عدوانها استخدام القوة الجوية لتدمير البنية التحتية للبنان وبالتالى الضغط الشعبى على حزب الله ،ومن ثم بدأت المعارك البرية ولكن تكبدت الخسائر بسبب ان المواجهة بين جيش نظامى وبين حزب يتبع نظام حرب العصابات

وقد أقترح احد المخططين الاستراتيجين الامريكان الخطة التالية


ان تقوم أسرائيل بقطع الامدادات عن حزب الله وطبعا لتنفيذ هذا المخطط راح يحتلون بعض المناطق الخلفية فى الجنوب اللبنانى


احدى هذة المناطق المزمع احتلالها تبعد خمسين كيلو عن العاصمة السورية دمشق وبالتالى سورية لن تسكت عن عن هذا التصرف ومخاوف الدولة السوريةان يتم احتلال العاصمة دمشق وبالتالى احتلال عاصمة اى بلد يعتبر احتلال البلد بالكامل

وسوريا اعلنتها صراحةعلى لسان وزير اعلامها، سورية لن تسكت عن اى خطر يهدد حدودها الاستراتيجة

وهذا يبرر الحشود للقوات البرية للجيش اليهودى على الحدود اللبنانية اكثر من مئة الف

طبعا هى مسألة وقت


P.S is she single ?:)

Mama Fusla said...

I vote for RICE, the Goddess of Human Sacrifice..

Check out her bio http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html

If interested in helping Lebanon, visit our blog

http://faithlebanon.blogspot.com

سامحونا على الازعاج

Arfana said...

rice is an ass

3bd el ma2mour mithil our khara fi

without that little fortune though

you think we can buy her if we offer a free of charge makeover and fix her teeth? ;-)

White Wings said...

soud
why do you ask? Are you interested? :)
شكرا على المعلومات، ولكن هل تعتقد أن هناك خطر حقيقي يتهدد العاصمة السورية؟ أعتقد أن هذه مخاطرة أكبر من اسرائيل
then again, stranger things have happened

mama fulsa
حياك الله ونزور مدونتكم يومياً
شكر كثير وكبير لجهودكم

nunu
a dangerous one :)

arfana
ya shaitana :)
it is worth a try :)

Alia said...
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Alia said...

فؤوس الحرث
وسيوف الحرب

تضاد غريب أو خل أقول مؤلم

Temetwir said...

white wings,
any change of heart yet towards the resistance, their cause, and of course their actions?
just interested to know where you stand now given il sinyora's statements last night and how the "int'l community" is continuously (not) responding

White Wings said...

عالية
ألم غريب ينقر رأسي وعيني طول الوقت
كل شيئ متضاد ومقلوب هذه الأيام، وكأن لبنان التي كانت قريبة منا، في وجداننا طول الوقت أصبحت فجأة بعيدة جداً، والتي كانت سعيدة جداً أصبحت البلد كلها مأتم واحد
أين نوجه حبنا بعد اليوم يا عالية؟

White Wings said...

temetwir
I hope to make clear that my disagreement with Hezbulla is one of principle. I still stress the same objections as to the funding and support of this party, but now it is getting even beyond that. The brutal bloody war Israel is waging against Lebanon is not a surprise, and the claim that Hasan Nasallah didn’t expect the enormity of this reaction is a further culpability on his side. This is one mistake that is hard to forgive and is not one to be done by such a political figure as Nasallah. Given all this, he is witnessing now the immensity of this war on Lebanon, is it not about time to stop this war at all costs? Yes, it is not time to save face and try to maintain a political front, it is time to take a stand by admitting “miscalculations” in this military operation and move to a solution even if it proves them the weakest… temporarily. Why do I still blame Hizbulla, because this sickening violence is to be expected from Isreal, to them we all adults and children are either terrorists or terrorists to be, but to Hizbulla, those collapsing under buildings every day, those youngsters in their pajamas, in hair bands, with little hands and feet, they are Lebanese and they should be the main priority, their safety comes before any winnings. Hizbulla has declared a victory, define victory for me? I think that victory is to understand when you’re the weaker party, when you withdraw waiting for a better chance and more assured circumstances, when you plan right, achieve goals with least casualties particularly on your side, not when your people die in hundreds and your country’s infrastructure is being all destroyed, and you are still very proud of yourself because you kicked the Israelis from a single area!! I think what Israel did is wise, when they thought they are week and unable to conquer the area, they gave in to the withdrawal, or they got kicked, that is fine too, but they went back, gathered forces and they are planning and already starting to declare other land attacks, they are the symbol of evilness in the world today, but don’t you think they are wise..
So Temetwir, and I apologize for my lengthy reply, yes, I am convinced of the mistake that Hizbulla has done even more every day, I count their mistakes by the number of bodies falling daily, because every life counts, because the idea that we should all seek martyrdom should end and the idea that we should all live safely should be stressed and this is not what Hizbulla is selling..
Always pleasure to see your comments and I hope that I haven’t offended you in anyway in my answer
best

Temetwir said...

white wings,
I'm not offended at all, on the contrary.

Here's the thing though, you have chosen to tell me about this as if it all started July 12th and will end once there is, someday if ever, a cease fire - and I just can't talk about the matter in this light because I KNOW that this is not what this war is about. However, I will try my best to make it as narrow as possible, promise. Here goes:

a) you wrote (twice) that this war israel is waging on Lebanon does not come as a surprise. I beg to differ. If you meant "it is not a surprise that israel kills children, women, and civilian men" then yes, granted; but to suggest that it was to be expected entails that you do agree that kidnapping 2 soldiers (soldiers, soldiers, soldiers) gives the right for israel to wage the war.
Or else, how is it to be expected? I hope you see my point here. Besides, only the USG seems to see this as self-defense (I won't say the UK because Blair goes under the USG).

b) You ask: "is it not about time to stop this war at all costs?"
Hmm, isn't that a cease fire? I'm guessing by your last two posts you know where that is going.
You would, or you should actually, tell me "then why doesn't 7izballa stop the missile launching?", and I would say that "they would if there was a cease fire". Then you would say "shfeek enta, why don't they take the initiative and stop themselves", and I would say two minutes later another israeli airstrike will force 7izbala to retaliate - because there is no cease fire (please tell me you agree, 3ogb kel ely sawita israel, give me that much). I will also say that the Lebanese govt itself through its PM has said that as long as there are strikes on Lebanon, the resistance will continue - why, because there is no cease fire. I will also say that a cease fire is something you impose on two parties - something which you have been discussing in your posts, and I will also say that a cease fire is NOT what they (USG, israel) want - again, ma ayeeb shay men 3endi, just refer you back to your posts.

c) I'm sorry but are you saying 7izbala are not militarily "winning"? No progression in the last land attack by the IDF; forced to return to airstrikes - and a second Gana massacre just to show that they can kill (and get away with it, hmm); and the having to convince parliament that they should go back with a wider land attack. How is this not 7izbala "winning" (I'm using paranthesis to emphasize on the fact that this is your word, and not mine - and I don't see it as a win/lose situation. But yes, 7izbala are "winning" laken allah yaster mn elayam eljaya).
So no, I don't think israel are "wise". I think they're doing everything they normally can not and would NOT do (i.e. making a promise to Rice to halt 48hrs, and then carry out an airstrike 6hrs later?) just so they can, somehow, and by any means necessary, prove that they are still 'in'.
There is nothing wise in what israel is doing, there is only shere humilation. They know it, they act by it, fa it's really for everyone to see.

d) Yes, every life counts. Even those lives in the occupied lands, I hope? Yes?
Cool, then who is doing anything about it?
"But 7izbala shako, they're in Lebanon", you would say; and I would say, 'ana shako? ana kwaiti bas ham tehemni gatheyat il quds'.
I know you know that Gana 1996 and 2006 is basically repeated every single day in the occupied lands, I know you know it - and I know that you know that there is no such thing as a "Lebanese life" is worth more than a "Palestinian life" - so why should these Lebanese and Palestinian lives be worth LESS than israelis?
Yes, I would like to wake up one day, or log online and see you all laughing telling me "shfeek, this was all a joke on you, mn 1948 ga3den netgashmar" .. but it's not gonna happen (ela chan ana saida, madri) .. point being: if israel is occupying territory "illegally" as deemed by the "int'l community", and if they are oppressing/killing/and forcing my (and your) people out of their land (again, by the int'l community represented by the UN) and do not want peace, why should I, why should you, why should anyone succumb to their demands?
Mo mas'alat karama, but aren't you (not you personally) calling for civility and abiding to int'l law? Khosh, we'll do that, we did, and israel isn't. When exactly is a "better time" to deal with this, if not deal with this continuously?

e) You said "the idea that we should all seek martyrdom should end and the idea that we should all live safely should be stressed" - and I ask: how exactly is this going to be achieved? It's not like I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering: shlon?
You yourself said "we", so you're definitely stating that this is "our" case - but I ask: how is this possible? Peace talks? What peace?
Okay, the UNSCR has resolutions demanding israel retreat back to its `49 borders. Being, kal 3ada, ignored by israel and the US.
Tell you what; advise and present a way other than RESISTANCE and force-to-meet-force that would force israel (and the USG even if after 124 years) to make a deal of:
resolution 242 implemented, for resolution 1559 implemented; and then we would all live 'safely', relatively speaking, until the next conflict.
Sad, but true.

Adry masakht'ha, but I couldn't help myself.

Temetwir said...

(just read the comment again, two things:
a) madri laish lama 7ad yekalemni with proper punctuation lazim atlaigaf wagalid, o arid akteb in proper punctuation

b) i think i delivered on my promise by making the reply as narrow as possible and not related to the much wider scope it belongs to up until my letter "e" point.. el semo7a

Arfana said...

ok i'm not gonna write in any punctuation just invite you to put the 7izballah issue aside and take action so please visit my blog


shraykom bel no punctuation

lol

Mohammad Al-Yousifi said...

هذه مشكلة الأفريكان اميركان

الأسود لمن يقضبونه منصب يصير ابيض من البيض

مثل كولن باول و الاخت قندليزا

الانتخابات الياية بصوت حق رالف نادر اشرفهم

لول

White Wings said...

Temetwir
I will try to make this as brief as I can, just so that I don't bore you out of coming back here :)
First, no proper punctuation is intended, just habit, I even tried to write this with no punctuation, I wasn't able to finish one sentence :)
In our discussion, I approached the subject singularly, focusing on current occasions, and of course, I totally agree with you that this is no war of couple of POWs…it is just naive to claim that and I wasn't at all implying it..
a) I see your point, and what I meant was that this horribly bloody exaggerated reaction was to be expected not justified, simply because Israel's goal escapes no one: wipe Arabs away or at least totally exile them and take over the land. Hizbulla should have foreseen a horrible reaction pending new and old moves by Israel.
b) Putting an end to this war requires more than seize fire because we know, as you said, that Israel will not do it nor the US are going with this policy as they don't see the value of the Lebanese life. I think Hizbulla should submit the POWs to Israel or at least to the Lebanese government immediately. Yes this is a back step, but totally required at the time. Gather forces, arrange with your government and see what you can do next, but this bombing needs to end and at any cost, meaning even at the cost of the party's dignity
c) What you define as humiliation I define as military tactics, what you define as win I define as loss because every child and civilian that was and will be killed in Lebanon is a loss to Hizbulla, it is on their hands. We don't expected Israel to care, we expect Hizbulla to do so, and this means give up the unrealistic ambition and care about people before any military success, after all, who is going to enjoy this military success after all is dead physically and spiritually?
d) No better time to deal with it, but better method, and no one said that a Lebanese life is more valuable that a Palestinian. I think even Palestinians are due for a reevaluation of their resistance method. This resistance got them no where the last 100 years, something else needs to be done and it is not impossible. Israel gathered its people from around the world and created a country, unjustifiably, granted. Palestinians can do it justifiably, but new tactics are needed. Current method is costing them more losses over the years.
e) I would suggest, and I know this would not fly with you one bit, to lay low for a while and try to rebuild people physically and spiritually, let them live instead of die as children even if it means giving in for a while to the Israelis. We have to make a point to the world that we are needed as alliances as Israel is needed, then we can make demands, but a time out of resistance and a time of laying law is due now..this is simply put, but it can be developed into a more sophisticated, long term plan..

You didn't "masakhtha" :) at all and it is a pleasure to converse with you. I am really benefiting from your opinions and be sure that I try to read objectively not with the idea of just getting back at your points..
Again thank you and your valuable insights are always welcome..
And sorry for the not very satisfactory shortness of an answer :)

White Wings said...

arfana
on my way to your blog and yes mam, no more talk about Hizbulla....today:)
and the no punctuation is totally cool :)

مطقوق
حلوة منك تحريف الأسماء :)
وانت الصاج، ماكو الا نجرب الأخ رالف :)

Chai-7aleeb said...

الله يستر

سياسه وسخه

Temetwir said...

white wings,
(this appears longer than it is because I used quotes from your reply)
a) Just to comment here on something you noted: "Israel's goal escapes no one: wipe Arabs away or at least totally exile them and take over the land".
Sweet, anything being done about it? Check:
USG: No. Supporting
UN: No. Supporting (through US)
Arab Govts: EEEH OFFF 7AD'HOM!! Okay. No.
Anyone else: No. I should've stopped at the USG frankly.
Resistance: Yes.
Any of the above supporting Resistance: No.

b) You wrote: "No better time to deal with it, but better method"

Hmm, what is a better method? That's the ONLY question.
If the arab countries can't move/speak (don't want to apparently) in terms of governments - then the people should (and they are, il7amdelaah). And if the USG is supporting israel in every single killing of a civilian child, woman, man (hope you agree here), as well as blocking anything in the UN that would demand israel to "do" anything - not just work by UNSCRs, yam3awda yarait bas chethy; but also not to denounce the killings of civilians? The bombing of the UN building and killing 4 people? The veto'ing of a cease fire?
Summary:
What other method? Please advise. Please advise. Please advise.

c) You said 7izbala should return the POWs immediately.
Okay, suppose they did. Just like in my first respone, you think that would call for a cease fire?
Yes? Well, please refer back to Olmert's "demands" which Rice seems to support.
Also, you said they should probably 'gather forces' and 'negotiate with their government' and see what they can do next.
Hmm, are you saying they should wait it out 5yrs and then "re-start resisting"?

Here's my dilemma: you're saying in "a" that israel wants to wipe arabs and take more land (evident in gaza/west bank); and then you suggest "somehow" resistance should be postponed (which is what I'm asking: how?); STILL however, you are as if suggesting that a cease fire and a halt to this war is totally in the hands of 7izballa?

It's not, o ghalaatich it's not. I read on cnn that 7ezbala agreed to a cease fire; and also that israel did not even want a cease fire to give a chance for civilians to leave..?
Not to mention the ignoring of the UN calls? I think you know what israel wants out of this.
And based on "a" above, I think a part of you does not wish that israel gets what it wants.

So yeah, I'm definitely lost as to how 7izbala is calling the shots here.. ?

d) You wrote: "I would suggest, and I know this would not fly with you one bit, to lay low for a while and try to rebuild people physically and spiritually".
Personally, it's not about it not flying with me one bit; it's about the impossibility of it happening.

Laying low would mean to not resist, right? Not resist would mean:
israel going at an even faster pace (if that's even possible!) at tearing down homes, building settlements, recieving 6 billion's worth in arms annually from the USG, kill more civilians - yes, children, and .. basically, everything they're doing even WITH the resistance.
Also, I'm interested to know what it is that is motivating you for laying low? I.e. mobadarat from the USG? The arabs? Mako shay, laying low = israel getting what they're already getting at a faster pace.

Finally, you wrote:
"We have to make a point to the world that we are needed as alliances as Israel is needed, then we can make demands, but a time out of resistance and a time of laying law is due now.."

Trust me, the world knows. Just refer back to how many US bases are in Kuwait alone.
Laken el so'al: what makes you think the arab leaders, e.g. dr M7amad Il Soba7 in Kuwait will somehow make demands someday? What demands?
Yam3awda let them just HINT at oil prices; laysawonha, let them just hint.
Aslo, referring back to what I asked earlier: what exactly motivates you to think (believe) that laying low will result in consultation and gathering of forces and and and .. ?

White wings, 6eweelat el3omor (ya3ni fedawy gawmaji heh), I do understand exactly what you mean. But the fact of the matter is it does not hold in the world we live in. If you think it does hold, please advise as to how.
(Hope you review Olmert's statements and tell me if you still think 7izbala has any say in this but to resist, resist, resist).

Politically speaking.

White Wings said...

temetwir
didn't suggest that Hizbulla is calling the shots, I asserted they are the weeker party and thus need to lay low for a while. yes, 5 years and even more is a good time, rebuild people, emphasize the theory of life, build economy, better prepare yourself and establish strong relations with the international community and then come back, that is the advice you keep asking about which I mentioned earlier.
I know Israel is making it diffecult to reach a fair solution but it is not about fair now, what motivates the lay low solution is saving lives which will help build power again, and I think this is best to hold in the world we live in. Resistance has contributed, with all respect to the nobel cause, to the death of the resistants simply because they have nothing to resis with, I suggest they build weapons: physical, mental, healthwise, economical and then come back, and yes it could happen through an agreement that puts them, politically, in a weeker position, but should help them in the longer run..
:)

White Wings said...

oh, and I would love to see Hizbulla give up their weapons and join their government, with them not being a country alone in side a country, that will bring a lot of stability to lebanon

Temetwir said...

white wings,
What do you think the israelis will be doing during that hypothetical waiting-and-rebuilding period?
Hatha wa7ed, second, what do you think the Arab governments will continue to do for -what you assert to being- the noble cause of pushing israel back to its borders with no occupation and illegal building of settlements in Palestine? Note: they call it settlements

Moreover, what do you think the USG will do in efforts to make israel respond to the UNSCRs during this period? I.e. will they say "oh, our friends in the ME are not 'terrorists' anymore. Let us now return the occupied lands to them by implementing UNSCR 242"?
I'm gonna go ahead and say .. No? Then what will happen during this period that will help this -your words- noble cause? And, also, what will emerge as a consequence of that period?
Be ma3na:

Will those new and enhanced edition of noble-caused Arabs who have been taught the emphasis of life be admitted at once in government? Or, will the Arab world during this period transform into the 'relative real' democracy that says: people rule people.
I.e. will the Arab governments let them take part in politics?
More specifically, Aal S3oud o Massir, the two most influential arab states (o wa7da menhom ray7a men zeman), will they change? How, manee sa'lech "why", just: shlon?

Hatha kela eb soub, o aham so'al eb soub: this period of 5-10 years, the 15-25 year olds we want to change who are living in the countries that a) border what is known as israel; and/or
b) live in the occupied lands by israeli forces..
wain ra7 yadresoun hal shay? Mn wain lehom el eflous ely betmakenhom yadreson o yet3alemoun o yeftate7on?

If that is all taken care of by a hefty donation by the GCC countries (yeah right), el so'al.. wain ra7 yaskenoon hal jeel who are in the occupied lands - i.e. refer to the question of: what will israel keep doing bearing in mind your initial comment, point "a" you made.

O kelllllll hatha eb soub, and finally, who will be arming these people over the period to gather forces? Assuming eb godrat gaadir they have been elected into Arab governments o they now hold the decision making.
What makes a country heard politically ghair el asli7a? Sad, I know. But true, I know you know it.

Now, wouldn't it be just jolly good and one hell of a shorter route if our fancy governments had the decency to tell (not demand, ask nicely ba3ad) the USG "resolution 242 for 1559"?

Pragmatically thinking.

White Wings said...

temetwir
money spent on resistance sould be spent on building up the resisting nations, Hizbulla's budget is that of a country, I think a lot of good can be done by it..
I presented an initial plan, your questions are valid and they need an expert's plan. It can be done just like Israel built itself from scratch..we've tried resistance for the past 100 years, nothing more to lose if we try and play it clever, with the idea of life instead of death in mind..had all the resistants planned to come back alife and not stive for "shahada" the situation might have been different

1905
thanks and welcome..light has filled the blog :)

White Wings said...

kitty
آمين، ويحفظك سالمة أبداً
أهلاً بك، نورت

Unknown said...

برافوا ووايد احب الاختصار
والصورة عن الف كلمة

تحياتى المعطرة

Temetwir said...

(hope im not too late, apologies white wings)

adri we moved on but i felt i had to note this:
you say money spent on resistance should be spent on building the resisting nations

im guessing you mean palestine beldaraja eloola, but here's the thing .. build? how? military sorrounding the borders of the occupied lands .. unemployment is up the roof (in gaza more evident i think), and build, how? who's going to want to "invest"?

ok, GCC countries want to set up funds (hypothetically)? sure, okay, whos going to operate these? what contractors?
whos going to work, the man-power, mn wain? if not palestinians, who is willing to go into an occupied land bordered by military tanks and guns and checkpoints? i.e. hypothetically even if they were admitted, who would want to live there? who CAN live there?

you also wrote "israel built itself from scratch"
hmm, it did?
10 mins after declaring the state 'back in the day', the US rushed to be the first to officially recognize it
over the yrs, over 100 billion dollars have been given to israel - lately, 6bn annually for arms ALONE .. y3ni el arm aid is 3bn direct, 3bn indirect, not counting free weapons, not counting other support (which btw american scholars, i.e. neutral supposedly, have stated is not understood: why? 3ala ay asaas, israel egtesadha similar to Spain's now)

white wings, let me just put it this way .. e7na ely e7na, el kwait, ely oil-rich, we are:
a) dependent on others for arms (la masani3 la shay, we pay the bill and apparently we dont get to even see the bill for the spare parts, and we dont even seem to know how to operate them - hmmm)
b) dependent on others to move our oil ma3teged 3endena asa6eel nagl naf6? o 7atttaaa lo 3endena, ma3teged eb kaifna nebee3 naf6na 7ag China and Russia? ma3teged eb kaifna ne6eglena kha6 enmadid on land instead of shipping cost? ma3teged eb kaifna we - as Kuwait - come up with a suggestion to our friends at OPEC to make an index for oil prices based on Euro instead of the dollar

bedal la elbank el markezi kel quarter ye3aabel 3alashan yagtheb eldinar geemta elshera'eya, yakhi wakher 3an eldollar etha ent fe3lan haamek egtesad elbalad o fe3lan eb balek mesharee3 tanmaweya o taby geema shera'eya lel 3omla

im not straying off topic, bas kent babayenlich ena hatha we7na e7na .. el kwait, el "7aleefa" .. fa ma balech falas6een wel arathy elmo7tala wana okhoch?

Temetwir said...

ps: i really appreciate the opportunity you've allowed to have a decent discussion (although mostly rhetorical questions - but they had to be 'asked) with the utmost objectivity, without making this personal
apart from ur fine self, i can only mention A3sab (i dont think shes here now) who has done me the same courtesy

i think u need to know why im replying o "shad 7aili" here ya3ni, its just because u offer the chance o adri ena i can hold a decent discussion with u

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